The last time we left

Was a discussion about Free will, Fate and responsibility. With a reminder to perhaps contemplate rock-paper-scissors. My reasons for this are as follows...

I've been interested in Free Will in sort of a round-about perspective. As a kid, I read Frank Herbert's Dune and loved the contemplations it invoked. The idea that those who can see the future can see the choices that others would make, and their own. Yet, they weren't trapped by their own choices. The protagonist could shape his future by exploring the different outcomes his choices would have. He could see how everyone else would decide things, and whether or not their decisions would be affected by his altered choices. (It never directly says if he knows their decisions directly, or if it was based off of his own observations of the consequences of those decisions, not important to my point though.)

Now, why was this interesting? The game rock-paper-scissors is played with an opponent and the two of you selecting one of the three objects. Rock beats scissors which beats paper which beats rock. You have a 1/3 chance of tying, 1/3 chance of winning and of course, 1/3 chance of losing.

For the purposes of our thought experiment, we'll take the world of Dune, or rather, the temporal physics of it.

Normal person plays against normal person: Conclusion- random. Neither can see what the other will throw, so they can only choose based on their own personal experience and preference. Neither person will necessarily dominate.

Foreseer vs Normal: Conclusion - Foreseer's choice. They can observe what the other person is going to throw, and as that is independant of what the Foreseer will do, the individual throw will remain a constant. At this point, the Foreseer can choose which outcome of the game she would like. The Normal person literally doesn't have a chance.

Foreseer vs Foreseer: Conclusion- Random. Why? In Dune, there was a sort of vortex that blocked one Foreseer from "seeing" another. They could observe the passage of the other (passage in time) but not directly observe the consequences of their actions. This was because the two of them were reacting to things that hadn't happened yet. In this game, we'll call the two Alpha and Beta. Alpha throws a rock, so Beta throws paper. Alpha sees that change and responds with scissors, Beta adapts to rock, Alpha to paper, Beta to scissors, Alpha to... You get the picture?

Dune pointed out that because they'd endlessly respond to one another's actions before those actions could occur, it rather blurred any action that one foreseer would take as far as another foreseer could observe. The consequences of decisions already made could be measured, but predicting the future or immediate effects were impossible.

So how does it resolve? For a Foreseer to win against another Foreseer, presuming a Free Will universe, it would remain sheer chaos until one of them actually threw and cemented their choice. Then the other could react.

In a Fated universe, I suppose it would be possible for them to observe their choices and realize who would win and who would lose, but be obligated to obey those choices. (This is an area I contemplate on the side. After all, in a Fated universe a Foreseer would be cursed with the knowledge of what's coming and yet not even be able to be more than a spectator even when directly involved.)

In a Dualist universe, it would appear to be a Free Will universe. Neither could see what the other one would do until one of them actually throws. I keep pursuing this to find an answer, and of course never can.

Maybe next time, I'll post some free writes. After all, this was supposed to help express creativity, not merely be a pretentious ramble by a bird.